Thursday, November 11, 2004


Please find a way to watch this film. A man died for it, so the least we can do is watch it. It is Submission by Theo Van Gogh, who was murdered by an islamo-fascist in Holland. Mr. Van Gogh, who was a relative of the artist Vincent Van Gogh, was shot and stabbed through the neck for making this film. His murderer pinned a note to his body with a second knife.

He made the film with a "liberal Dutch politician Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a Somali refugee who fled an arranged marriage." (BBC News UK Edition)

Take note of the differences in the labels given to Ms. Ali. The CNN report refers to her as a "right-wing Dutch politician who had renounced the Islamic faith of her birth". (

Liberal, yet right-wing. Get your useless labels straight, folks. Liberal because she's a woman fighting for the rights of women against an oppressive religion; right-wing because it is Islam she's fighting not Christianity?

I think we're witnessing a fundamental shift in political world view. There is always a fleeting transition where up is down, and down is sideways. We're witnessing it as we speak. It will either unite all Americans in the common cause of fighting religious extremism, or it will divide us into groups of those who are willing to submit to the most violent factions of religious fundamentalism, and those who will stand up to them.

If you read both articles, notice also how they mention that Mr. Van Gogh had, in the past, also angered Christians and Jews. Also note how they leave out the fact that Christians or Jews did not threaten his life, and that neither Christians nor Jews shot him, decapitated him, and stabbed a gloating, malicious note into his body.

I don't care what religion you are or aren't, what belief system you hold or don't. Anyone with even a shred of humanity must stand up to this barbarity. If it is given any legitimacy at all, even by silence, it will spread and kill more.


Anonymous said...

On : 11/11/2004 12:11:13 PM Jenn (www) said:

Zelda as an American woman it is almost impossible to believe that woman are really treated that way isn't it! It makes me sad and sick, and the fact that there are men out there that find it so important to oppress women that they will go to the extream of killing someone when they speak out about it just leaves me speechless. I think you are so right that the world does need to know these things happen, and it is what some cultures think of as normal, and we can't remain silent about it, so I am stealing your links! Thanks Miss Zelda for reminding me of how good I do have it because I live in the greatest country in the world!


On : 11/11/2004 12:12:20 PM angi (www) said:

Oh wow. It really puts life in America in perspective. I read the articles, watched the film. I'm speechless.


On : 11/11/2004 12:50:27 PM Jethro (www) said:

I couldn't believe the attempt to cover up this act. There was one guy on Holland radio who practically said that Van Gogh asked for this to happen to him. Europeans are just fucking themselves over.


On : 11/11/2004 12:58:45 PM Zelda (www) said:

Jenn - They aren't my links, so it isn't stealing. I am encouraging [i]everyone[/i] to get as many people to watch it as they can. This man's life and his work should never be in vain.

Angi - Send it to everyone you know. Let's not let Mr. Van Gogh die in vain.

Jeth - They are fucking themselves over just like they always have. We'll continue to bail them out, and we'll continue to get no credit, just like we always have.


On : 11/11/2004 3:50:50 PM Polybius (www) said:

The word "liberal" has a different meaning over in Europe. Unlike in America (where it can be rougly translated as "tax-spending baby-killer") Europeans refer to liberals more in the original sense of the word, i.e. people believing in individual freedoms/responsibilities and free markets.

So the beeb means the same thing with "liberal" that CNN says with "right-wing".

I don't know anything about Ms. Ali's political philosophy so I don't know whether the labels are accurate. I do know that muslim women who oppose traditional Islam are often tarred as "right-wing" even if they are quite leftist otherwise (e.g. Irshad Manji)


On : 11/11/2004 4:43:52 PM Zelda (www) said:

P - I've never heard the American MSM refer to the term "liberal" as anything other than a humanitarian, at least at the core. Mixing up right-wing and liberal, despite the internationalist differences of thought, isn't common no matter which way you slice it. I've never seen it until after 9/11 and even then, it's only when the subject is someone who is fighting the oppression of Islam. Why is that? I've heard the CNN refer to the Iranian mullahs as "right-wing" so it would stand to reason that a woman who opposed them or their philosophies would be considered left-wing right? Not so. She is left-wing if she lives in Iran, but right-wing if she lives in Holland and fights against the infiltration of radical Islamists into that country. I imagine there is some lunatic calling her a fascist as well. It is quite fucked up.

The Europeans have a way of fucking things up like that.


On : 11/11/2004 8:19:01 PM Ren (www) said:

Yeah, we really want to model our nation after the countries of Europe as some asshats have suggested.

And may I ask WHY this hasn't made bigger news?


On : 11/11/2004 8:28:07 PM Zelda (www) said:

I don't know. The MSM (mainstream media) and the Euro-press, in their haste to bring about the socialist revolution, have sold out their idealists in favor of violent islamo-thugs. Truly mind-bending. But it will separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak.


On : 11/12/2004 8:01:19 AM wilde_thought (www) said:

Yes. I'm glad that we have basic rights for everyone in the US. Even with the injustices that go unnoticed by the majority our country is hands down better than those that onpenly opress women and others. Got a few links to blogs from the Hague that you might like to keep an eye upon. and Sorry don't know my html skills well enough to make this link.


On : 11/12/2004 8:06:26 AM Zelda (www) said:

WT - I've been keeping an eye on the Hague, but I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one.

I believe Canada, the US, and for that matter, every country in western and now most of eastern Europe is in every way morally and politically superior to countries ruled by Sharia law. No system is perfect, but these systems are heinous. By any decent person's standards. The idiotic labelling of people who are fighting this extreme injustice only serves to divide, and I can't understand why any media would do it.

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